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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe, Liz. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe, Liz. <img src='http://magicalmusings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61261</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the &quot;newbie&quot; title is generally reserved for someone starting out in the writing business, Zoe.  I&#039;m talking about someone who doesn&#039;t know that a single title is generally 100,000 words, what margins to use ... craft stuff.  

It&#039;s only once you get the basics down that a writer is able to concentrate on the more fundamental aspects such as trying to find an agent, learning which editors are which house, what the publishers are looking for ... actively submitting your work and able to carry on an intelligent conversation instead of hanging onto each and every word of a more experienced author with that wide-eyed fascination that we all started out with ... myself included.  :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the &#8220;newbie&#8221; title is generally reserved for someone starting out in the writing business, Zoe.  I&#8217;m talking about someone who doesn&#8217;t know that a single title is generally 100,000 words, what margins to use &#8230; craft stuff.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only once you get the basics down that a writer is able to concentrate on the more fundamental aspects such as trying to find an agent, learning which editors are which house, what the publishers are looking for &#8230; actively submitting your work and able to carry on an intelligent conversation instead of hanging onto each and every word of a more experienced author with that wide-eyed fascination that we all started out with &#8230; myself included.  <img src='http://magicalmusings.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Winters</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61244</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what&#039;s potentially harmful is that some writers (and I am not talking about me, I&#039;m saying a general thing I&#039;ve witnessed), are treated like newbie writers when they aren&#039;t actually newbie writers.

They are newbies to the BUSINESS side of writing.  And that&#039;s a whole other ball of wax.  And I think also, we can&#039;t all know everything, so there are going to be areas we all excel at, and areas we know less about.  

But I think automatically putting a big &quot;newbie&quot; banner over anyone who hasn&#039;t achieved this or that &quot;level&quot; in the &quot;writer hierarchy&quot; is damaging to the self esteem of those who really DO know what they&#039;re doing, but because they don&#039;t have knowledge in one area (which may or may not apply to their situation), they&#039;re labeled as someone who just rolled out of bed three weeks ago and decided to write a novel.

I&#039;ve been writing with the goal to have solid physical books in people&#039;s hands, since junior high school (though I have submitted very little to the gatekeepers.), BUT I&#039;m a total newb when it comes to publishing.

Now I may not be a &quot;great&quot; writer, but I&#039;m not a newbie writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what&#8217;s potentially harmful is that some writers (and I am not talking about me, I&#8217;m saying a general thing I&#8217;ve witnessed), are treated like newbie writers when they aren&#8217;t actually newbie writers.</p>
<p>They are newbies to the BUSINESS side of writing.  And that&#8217;s a whole other ball of wax.  And I think also, we can&#8217;t all know everything, so there are going to be areas we all excel at, and areas we know less about.  </p>
<p>But I think automatically putting a big &#8220;newbie&#8221; banner over anyone who hasn&#8217;t achieved this or that &#8220;level&#8221; in the &#8220;writer hierarchy&#8221; is damaging to the self esteem of those who really DO know what they&#8217;re doing, but because they don&#8217;t have knowledge in one area (which may or may not apply to their situation), they&#8217;re labeled as someone who just rolled out of bed three weeks ago and decided to write a novel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been writing with the goal to have solid physical books in people&#8217;s hands, since junior high school (though I have submitted very little to the gatekeepers.), BUT I&#8217;m a total newb when it comes to publishing.</p>
<p>Now I may not be a &#8220;great&#8221; writer, but I&#8217;m not a newbie writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61230</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s making good use of your time, Cynthia.  If you&#039;re concentrating on business, you&#039;re making good use of your conference opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s making good use of your time, Cynthia.  If you&#8217;re concentrating on business, you&#8217;re making good use of your conference opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61228</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee ... To a certain extent, I think we&#039;ll always be newbies ... if only because there are always things to be learned and new procedures.  I like to think I&#039;ve moved beyond the newbie stage.  Not an expert by any means, but I think I&#039;m fairly savvy with the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee &#8230; To a certain extent, I think we&#8217;ll always be newbies &#8230; if only because there are always things to be learned and new procedures.  I like to think I&#8217;ve moved beyond the newbie stage.  Not an expert by any means, but I think I&#8217;m fairly savvy with the business.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia Eden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia Eden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RT 2007.  I&#039;d just sold to Kensington, and the conference became more about networking and less about craft work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT 2007.  I&#8217;d just sold to Kensington, and the conference became more about networking and less about craft work.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61211</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one, Marcia.  Rejections are all part of the game.  Sure they sting, but that passes.  Brave of you to forego the chocolate to sooth bruised feelings, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one, Marcia.  Rejections are all part of the game.  Sure they sting, but that passes.  Brave of you to forego the chocolate to sooth bruised feelings, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice feeling, isn&#039;t it, Karin.  That happens at our meetings.  General discussions at which everyone is able to contribute their knowledge and experience.  Love it when I&#039;m able to participate with some intelligent information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice feeling, isn&#8217;t it, Karin.  That happens at our meetings.  General discussions at which everyone is able to contribute their knowledge and experience.  Love it when I&#8217;m able to participate with some intelligent information.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
		<link>http://magicalmusings.com/2008/11/17/beyond-the-newbie-stage/comment-page-1/#comment-61209</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good way to put it, LaD.  &quot;More focused&quot;.  I think that&#039;s it exactly.  You&#039;ve moved beyond the learning process and know what to focus on ... what&#039;s important and what needs to be accomplished.  You go, girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good way to put it, LaD.  &#8220;More focused&#8221;.  I think that&#8217;s it exactly.  You&#8217;ve moved beyond the learning process and know what to focus on &#8230; what&#8217;s important and what needs to be accomplished.  You go, girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz Kreger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Kreger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose there will always be a certain newbie experience out there, Lainey.  You&#039;re right about there being stuff to learn.  If you&#039;ve never published via e-format, you&#039;re a newbie at that until you&#039;ve got the process down.  Same with acquiring an agent and/or new editor or even a new publishing house.  Its a learning process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose there will always be a certain newbie experience out there, Lainey.  You&#8217;re right about there being stuff to learn.  If you&#8217;ve never published via e-format, you&#8217;re a newbie at that until you&#8217;ve got the process down.  Same with acquiring an agent and/or new editor or even a new publishing house.  Its a learning process.</p>
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